Generative AI Models Are Sucking Up Data from All Over the Internet, Yours Included

In the rush to build and train ever larger AI models, developers have swept up much of the searchable Internet, quite possibly including some of your own public data—and potentially some of your private data as well.
Sophie Bushwick: To train a large artificial intelligence model, you need lots of text and images created by actual humans. As the AI boom continues, it’s becoming clearer that some of this data is coming from copyrighted sources. Now writers and artists are filing a spate of lawsuits to challenge how AI developers are using their work.
Lauren Leffer: But it’s not just published authors and visual artists that should care about how generative AI is being trained. If you’re listening to this podcast, you might want to take notice, too. I’m Lauren Leffer, the technology reporting fellow at Scientific American.

Bushwick: And I’m Sophie Bushwick, tech editor at Scientific American. You’re listening to Tech, Quickly, the digital data diving version of Scientific American’s Science, Quickly podcast.
So, Lauren, people often say that generative AI is trained on the whole Internet, but it seems like there’s not a lot of clarity on what that means. When this came up in the office, lots of our colleagues had questions totally.
Leffer: People were asking about their individual social media profiles, password-protected content, old blogs, all sorts of stuff. It’s hard to wrap your head around what online data means when, as Emily M. Bender, a computational linguist at University of Washington, told me, quote, “There’s no one place where you can download the Internet.”
Bushwick: So let’s dig into it. How are these AI companies getting their data?

Leffer: Well, it’s done through automated programs called web crawlers and web scrapers. This is the same sort of technology that’s long been used to build search engines. You can think of web crawlers like digital spiders moving around silk strands from URL to URL, cataloging the location of everything they come across.
Bushwick: Happy Halloween to us.
Leffer: Exactly. Spooky spiders on the internet. Then web scrapers go in and download all that catalog information.
Bushwick: And these tools are easily accessible.
Leffer: Right. There’s a few different open access web crawlers out there. For instance, there’s one called Common Crawl, which we know OpenAI used to gather training data for at least one iteration of the large language model that powers ChatGPT.
Bushwick: What do you mean? At least one?
Leffer: Yeah. So the company, like many of its big tech peers, has gotten less transparent about training data over time. When OpenAI was developing GPT-3, it explained in a paper what it was using to train the model and even how it approached filtering that data. But with the release of GPT-3.5 and GPT-4, OpenAI offered far less information.
Bushwick: How much less are we talking?
Leffer: A lot less—almost none. The company’s most recent technical report offers literally no details about the training process or the data used. OpenAI even acknowledges this directly in the paper, writing that “given both the competitive landscape and the safety implications of large scale models like GPT-4 this report contains no further details about the architecture, hardware training, compute dataset, construction training method or similar.”
Bushwick: Wow. Okay, so we don’t really have any information from the company on what fed the most recent version of ChatGPT.

Leffer: Right. But that doesn’t mean we’re completely in the dark. Likely between GPT-3 and GPT-4 the largest sources of data stayed pretty consistent because it’s really hard to find totally new data sources big enough to build generative AI models. Developers are trying to get more data, not less. GPT-4 probably relied, in part, on Common Crawl, too.
Bushwick: Okay, so Common Crawl and web crawlers, in general—they’re a big part of the data gathering process. So what are they dredging up? I mean, is there anywhere that these little digital spiders can’t go?
Leffer: Great question. There are certainly places that are harder to access than others. As a general rule, anything viewable in search engines is really easily vacuumed up, but content behind a login page is harder to get to. So information on a public LinkedIn profile might be included in Common Crawl’s database, but a password-protected account likely isn’t. But think about it for one minute.
Open data on the Internet includes things like photos uploaded to Flickr, online marketplaces, voter registration databases, government web pages, business sites, probably your employee bio, Wikipedia, Reddit, research repositories, news outlets. Plus there’s tons of easily accessed pirated content and archived compilations, which might include that embarrassing personal blog you thought you deleted years ago.

Bushwick: Yikes. Okay, so it’s a lot of data, but—okay. Looking on the bright side, at least it’s not my old Facebook posts because those are private, right?
Leffer: I would love to say yes, but here’s the thing. General web crawling might not include locked-down social media accounts or your private posts, but Facebook and Instagram are owned by Meta, which has its own large language model.
Bushwick: Ah, right.
Leffer: Right. And Meta is investing big money into further developing its AI.
Bushwick: On the last episode of Tech, Quickly, we talked about Amazon and Google incorporating user data into their AI models. So is Meta doing the same thing?
Leffer: Yes. Officially. The company admitted that it has used Instagram and Facebook post to train its AI. So far Meta has said this is limited to public posts, but it’s a little unclear how they’re defining that. And of course, it could always change moving forward.

Bushwick: I find this creepy, but I think that some people might be wondering: So what? It makes sense that writers and artists wouldn’t want their copyrighted work included here, especially when generative AI can spit out content that mimics their style. But why does it matter for anyone else? All of this information is online anyway, so it’s not that private to begin with.
Leffer: True. It’s already all available on the Internet, but you might be surprised by some of the material that emerges in these databases. Last year, one digital artist was tooling around with a visual database called LAION, spelled L-A-I-O-N…
Bushwick: Sure, that’s not confusing.
Leffer: Used in trainings and popular image generators. The artist came across a medical photo of herself linked to her name. The picture had been taken in a hospital setting as part of her medical file, and at the time, she’d specifically signed a form indicating that she didn’t consent to have that photo shared in any context. Yet somehow it ended up online.

Bushwick: Whoa. Isn’t that illegal? It sounds like that would violate HIPPA, the medical privacy rule.
Leffer: Yes to the illegal question, but we don’t know how the medical image got into LAION. These companies and organizations don’t keep very good tabs on the sources of their data. They’re just compiling it and then training air tools with it. A report from Ars Technica found lots of other pictures of people in hospitals inside the LAION database, too.
Leffer: And I did ask LAION for comment, but I haven’t heard back from them.
Bushwick: Then what do we think happened here?
Leffer: Well, I asked Ben Zhao, a University of Chicago computer scientist, about this, and he pointed out the data gets misplaced often. Privacy settings can be too lax. Digital leaks and breaches are common. Information not intended for the public Internet ends up on the Internet all the time.

Ben Zhao: There’s examples of kids being filmed without their permission. There are examples of private home pictures. There’s all sorts of stuff that should not be in any way, shape or form included in a public training set.
Bushwick: But just because data ends up in an AI training set, that doesn’t mean it becomes accessible to anyone who wants to see it. I mean, there are protections in place here. AI chatbots and image generators don’t just spit out people’s home addresses or credit card numbers if you ask for them.
Leffer: True. I mean, it’s hard enough to get AI bots to offer perfectly correct information on basic historical events. They hallucinate and they make errors a lot. These tools are absolutely not the easiest way to track down personal details on an individual on the Internet. But…
Bushwick: Oh, why is there always a “but”?
Leffer: There, uh, there have been some cases where AI generators have produced pictures of real people’s faces and very loyal reproductions of copyrighted work. Plus, even though most generative models have guardrails in place meant to prevent them from sharing identifying info on specific people, researchers have shown there are usually ways to get around those blocks with creative prompts or by messing around with open-source AI models.

Bushwick: So privacy is still a concern here?
Leffer: Absolutely. It’s just another way that your digital information might end up where you don’t want it to. And again, because there’s so little transparency, Zhao and others told me that right now it’s basically impossible to hold companies accountable for the data they’re using or to stop it from happening. We’d need some sort of federal privacy regulation for that.
And the U.S. does not have one.
Bushwick: Yeesh.
Leffer: Bonus—all that data comes with another big problem.
Bushwick: Oh, of course it does. Let me guess this one. Is it bias?
Leffer: Ding, ding, ding. The Internet might contain a lot of information, but it’s skewed information. I talked with Meredith Broussard, a data journalist researching AI at New York University, who outlined the issue.

Meredith Broussard: We all know that there is wonderful stuff on the Internet and there is extremely toxic material on the Internet. So when you look at, for example, what are the Web sites in the Common Crawl, you find a lot of white supremacist Web sites. You find a lot of hate speech.
Leffer: And in Broussard’s words, it’s “bias in, bias out.”
Bushwick: Aren’t AI developers filtering their training data to get rid of the worst bits and putting in restrictions to prevent bots from creating hateful content?
Leffer: Yes. But again, clearly, lots of bias still gets through. That’s evident when you look at the big picture of what AI generates. The models seem to mirror and even magnify many harmful racial, gender and ethnic stereotypes. For example, AI image generators tend to produce much more sexualized depictions of women than they do men, and at baseline, relying on Internet data means that these AI models are going to skew towards the perspective of people who can access the Internet and post online in the first place.

Bushwick: Aha. So we’re talking wealthier people, Western countries, people who don’t face lots of online harassment. Maybe this group also excludes the elderly or the very young.
Leffer: Right. The Internet isn’t actually representative of the real world.
Bushwick: And in turn, neither are these AI models.
Leffer: Exactly. In the end, Bender and a couple of other experts I spoke with noted that this bias and, again, the lack of transparency makes it really hard to say how our current generative AI model should be used. Like, what’s a good application for a biased black box content machine?
Bushwick: Maybe that’s a question we’ll hold off answering for now. Science, Quickly is produced by Jeff DelViscio, Tulika Bose, Kelso Harper and Carin Leong. Our show is edited by Elah Feder and Alexa Lim. Our theme music was composed by Dominic Smith.

Leffer: Don’t forget to subscribe to Science, Quickly wherever you get your podcasts. For more in-depth science news and features, go to ScientificAmerican.com. And if you like the show, give us a rating or review.
Bushwick: For Scientific American‘s Science, Quickly, I’m Sophie Bushwick.
Leffer: I’m Lauren Leffer. Talk to you next time.

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How to Save Indigenous Languages

From Papua New Guinea to the Andaman Islands, Indigenous languages are under threat. An Indian linguist helped preserve one language family.
[Clip: Levenofi welcome song] 
Tulika Bose: You’re listening to a celebration in the Levenofi village in the remote highlands of the island nation of Papua New Guinea. I was here with our Scientific American video crew last year to make a documentary. 

I and my co-producer Kelso Harper didn’t know what any of these words meant. But as the entire village—men, women, kids, grannies—swung their hips, waved branches and sang in this beautiful, heartfelt chorus, we knew intuitively that we were being welcomed. The energy was infectious—we were encouraged to dance along. 
[Sound clip]
After all of the singing, we were invited to partake in a mumu. It’s this delicious feast that’s made from wrapping meats and vegetables and spices in banana leaves and then cooking them in this massive earth oven with steam and hot stones. 
Finding myself here—in an island nation that’s home to more than 300 tribes and about 850 different languages—was one of the most remarkable experiences of my entire life. Papua New Guinea also happens to be the most linguistically diverse place on earth.
But that incredible diversity is declining. Half of the roughly 7,000 languages spoken today could be gone by the end of the century. And Papua New Guinea, which hosts more than 10 percent of the world’s languages, is now finding its own linguistic diversity under threat.

After this experience, I had to learn more. Where have we lost languages in other parts of the world, and how have they been forgotten? Are we trying to bring them back? More importantly, how do we trace the roots of our collective memory back to the very sounds that first made us human?
For Scientific American’s Science, Quickly, this is Tulika Bose.
[CLIP: Intro music]
Anvita Abbi: Everybody said, “Why have you come? We have forgotten our language. We do not know what you’re talking about. We cannot help you at all.”
Bose: That’s Anvita Abbi. She’s this incredible Indian linguist who specializes in Indigenous languages and has this unbelievable passion for decoding grammatical structure.
Abbi: Lately, I had—for [the] last two decades, I had been working on the languages of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. These are the 550 islands in the Bay of Bengal, south of India.
She’s talking to me about the year 2001, when she first arrived in Port Blair, the capital of the Andiman and Nicobar Islands, a territory of India in the Bay of Bengal. Anvita also wrote an article that appeared in our June 2023 issue that goes into this more in depth. (I highly, highly recommend reading it and subscribing.) 
Bose: Anvita had previously researched more than 80 Indian languages from five different families. But she was there to conduct a preliminary survey of Indigenous languages. At first, some of the Indigenous residents—known as the Great Andamanese—balked at her request.
Abbi: So I knew that they have some memory of the language, of course, but they were denying it.
Bose: But Anvita was really persistent. And then she met someone who would change the scope of her research. She called him Nao Junior.

Abbi: I tried to ask him several words. He said, “Listen, madam, I have not spoken my language for quite some years, but I know my language. So I’ll have to remember.” And that gave me a big clue—that I can see some ray of hope.
Bose: When I first heard Anvita’s story, I was stunned. I’m half Bengali myself, but I had never heard of the Great Andamanese, the original Indigenous peoples who lived in the Great Andaman archipelago, or about how the British—who established a penal colony in Port Blair in 1858—wiped almost all of them out through a combination of gunfire and disease. In the 1960s, by which time the islands were governed by India, only 19 members of the Great Andamanese people were left. India settled them on this tiny island called Strait island. And then Anvita visited.
Abbi: There were only nine speakers in 2001, when I reached the island.
Bose: She knew she had to try to preserve this language family before it all faded away. And so she set out on foot to follow it.

Abbi: It was a very, very tough … I still remember those crocodile-laden creeks that we had to cross and lot of snakes who were visiting us day and night—especially at night, in the evening. 
Bose: While on this trip, Anvita realized something crucial.
Abbi: When I presented my results, I claimed that it appears that Great Andamanese is a separate language family. and Onge and Jarawa constitute another language family.  Before me, some linguists had traveled to the Andaman Islands, and they had always considered Andamanese as one language family, which had three branches — Great Andamanese, Onge, and Jawara. Which I denied. That there are no such branches — there are two independent language families.
Bose: I’m going to pause here. For those of you who aren’t familiar with historical linguistics, it’s a little like archaeology. But instead of excavating through dirt, a linguist separates layers of a language to uncover the different stages of evolution. And that’s what Anvita decided she was going to do.

Abbi: Subseqently, I reached the Andaman Islands with—fully equipped with my gear for deciding, deciphering the, you know, the unknown language in 2005.
Bose: She stayed with people she had met, including Nao Jr., and collected more than 150 Great Andamanese names for different fish species and 109 for birds.
But Anvita still couldn’t understand the grammar and the linguistic structure of this language family. It was unlike anything she had ever encountered before. So British officials, while figuring out that the Andamanese languages were a little bit like chain links, in that neighboring tribes could understand each other, had also failed to understand it. This fancy comparative lexicon published by a British military administrator in 1887 didn’t help, either.
Then Abbi had what she thought was an innocuous conversation with Nao Jr.

Abbi: I asked him to tell me the word for blood. He looked at me as if I were an utter fool…, abut I resisted. He said, “Tell me where it is coming from.” I replied, “From nowhere,” because I just wanted the word, meaning just one word: blood. He got irritated. And he repeated his sentence. He says, “Where did it come from, tell me?” So I just made up, and I said, “On the finger….” The moment I said that, he immediately said, “Oh, that will be called ongtei.” And then he ratted off several words for blood on different parts of [the] body. If the blood emerged from the feet or legs, it was otei. If it’s internal, it was etai—it was a clot on the skin, it was ertei. Something as basic as a noun changed forms because of its location.
Bose: Basically, Anvita realized that the entire grammatical structure of this ancient language family changed depending on the zones of the body.
Abbi: I realized that it was changing its form several times because every word every open-class word, as we know in grammar, was prefixed by some of the body division markers.
Bose: To explain, while in English we might say, “She heads the company” or “We face the window,” But great Andamanese use body parts even more and to describe everything. Anvita divided the lexicon into two classes: free and bound. Words that were free occurred alone—such as the word ra for pig. But words that were bound, nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs, all existed with relation to other objects—specifically, parts of the body.

Abbi: And body division markers were seven of them.
Bose: You might wonder why this is so significant. Because no other known language family has a grammar based on the human body, Great Andamanese actually constitutes its own family. According to genetic evidence, the Great Andamanese lived in isolation for tens of thousands of years. Anvita realized that the grammar she decoded meant that this original language family came from a time when people conceptualized the whole world through the body.
Abbi: The most beautiful aspect of the language, that it is, the whole grammar is anthropocentrism. It is—depends upon how people perceive the world through their body: every activity, every modification, and every object is seen through the body. Only those which are natural forces, are natural elements like words and fauna and flora, they don’t have these prefixes.

Bose: That gives us insight into early humans—and a worldview where everything that happens is connected to everything else. I’m take you back to Papua New Guinea, to the famous cultural show in the highlands. We asked some people at the festival if they could speak to us in their language.
Harper: What about nice to meet you?
Villagers: Kande! 
Bose: Like the Great Andamanese, some tribes in Papua New Guinea have lived in isolation for years. But its linguistic diversity is still under threat. In fact, most of the thousands of languages that may go extinct in the next century are Indigenous. Nao Jr. left this world in February 2009. In his untimely death, he took with him a treasure trove of knowledge that can never be resurrected.
I’ll leave you with these words from Anvita’s article: “When the older generation can no longer teach the tongue to the younger ones, a language is doomed. And with every language lost, we lose a wealth of knowledge about human existence, perception, nature and survival.“

For Science, Quickly, I’m Tulika Bose.
Science Quickly is produced by myself, Tulika Bose, and Jeffrey Delviscio. This episode was edited by me, Tulika Bose, with music by Dominic Smith. Subscribe to Scientific American to read the article by Anvita Abbi and more in-depth Science News. 

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Dominatrices Are Showing People How to Have Rough Sex Safely

Research shows rough sex is becoming more common. Dominatrices are helping the general public catch up.
[CLIP: Lady Harper Chase, speaks in her Intro to Whips class: “For me, my style of dominance…, I call myself, like, a nurturing pervert.
This is a two foot signal whip. I call him swishy…. I just go like this on a person: tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.”]

[CLIP: Intro music]
Kate Klein: There’s this, like, whole world underneath people’s clothing that no one talks about.
Sari van Anders: Our science, in some ways…, is sort of, like, catching up with people’s existences.
Meghan McDonough: I’m Meghan McDonough, and you’re listening to Scientific American’s Science, Quickly. This is part one of a four-part Fascination on the science of pleasure. In this series, we’re asking what we can learn from those with marginalized experiences to explore sexuality, find the female orgasm and illuminate asexuality. In this episode, we’ll take you inside the world of BDSM, which stands for “bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, sadism and masochism.” Practitioners say that, when done with proper consent and communication, rough sex can be not only pleasurable but also healing.

[CLIP: Chase in Intro to Whips class: “This is a kink whip class…. I’m not really talking about sport cracking techniques, though I have studied with Renaissance fair performers and circus performers…. For today…, we’re going to talk about how to throw it forward in a safe way for it to land on a person.”]
McDonough: It’s a cold evening in December 2023, and a dominatrix who goes by the stage name Lady Harper Chase is teaching an Intro to Whips workshop at the Crown, a BDSM collective and domination school in a Brooklyn basement apartment.
McDonough (tape): And how do you define BDSM, for people that aren’t familiar?
Chase: It’s, for me and a lot of people, a means of communicating…, expressing emotions without words and more through physicality, through body positions, through body experiences, and words giving context to those things.
[CLIP: Chase in Intro to Whips class: “Today we will cover the ABCs about whips…. …Learning different things to look for, the materials…:  kangaroo leather…. The length…: for indoor, New York City–sized spaces….The standard throwing technique of a whip… the back-and-forth crack is called a volley…. And then we’re going to talk about what’s really important, which is using that technique to then create context in your scenes.”]
McDonough: Sex researcher Justin Lehmiller surveyed 4,000 Americans over two years and found that almost all had fantasized about BDSM at one point or another. But as rough sex moves away from the margins, more people are engaging in it without educating themselves. At the same time, researchers say that BDSM can be liberating and healing, especially for people with a history of trauma. 
McDonough (tape): Okay, so I’m recording…. Where are we right now? Can you describe it in very visual terms for our listeners?

Charlotte Taillor: We are in the back room of the Crown, which … we use for our house dungeon…. It has velvety black curtains on one side…. There’s also a frame, suspension frame. So we are sitting right under it on a makeshift bondage table.
McDonough: This is Charlotte Taillor, a professional dominatrix and educator who founded the Taillor Group in 2016. Charlotte says most people attending her workshops at the beginning were professional dominatrices and sex workers, but as her school has gotten more press, she’s gotten more curious laypeople.
Taillor: We have workshops on everything, like, from BDSM 101 to water sports…, ropes, bondage without ropes.
McDonough (tape): Can you tell me sort of how we got to this space? Like, how did you start your journey into BDSM?
Taillor: I mean, I’m queer. And I think that there’s a big intersection. I went to a party in New York and met a few doms, and not all of them were professional doms. But they were, they’re just really cool.

Debby Herbenick: There’s actually this really rich and wonderful history within LGBTQ communities where rough sex is…. a form of liberation.
McDonough: This is Debby Herbenick, a researcher at Indiana University Bloomington who has studied sexuality for more than 20 years. In 2021 she found that, of about 5,000 undergraduate students who participated in a confidential survey, almost 80 percent of those with a current partner reported engaging in rough sex, an umbrella term that includes choking, spanking, smothering, name-calling, and more. In her study, people who self-identified as bisexual were nearly twice as likely to report greater frequency of rough sex, and transgender and nonbinary participants also reported greater frequency and enjoyment of rough sex. (The authors did not ask how often participants had sex in general, though, or to what extent rough sex behaviors were communicated about and consensual.)

Herbenick: You can realize that the sexual menu is actually really broad. And you get to choose the sexual life that you want for yourself, and you can explore that.
McDonough: Debby also found that men in her study were more likely to report initiating rough sex, whereas women were more likely to report their partner initiating it.
Herbenick: With heterosexual people, you often see, like, men choking women. There’s not a lot of women choking men, right—because there’s not a lot of exploring gender roles. And so when you look at more, like, queer communities, there’s an openness to saying, well, like, “Let me try it this way” or “How would you like to try this?”
McDonough: Debby says that, across the board, people engage in rough sex for reasons that are both physiological and psychological. But it can become dangerous without the right education.

Herbenick: Frankly, most doctors will tell you, like, choking in general is something that probably everybody should stay away from…. There is no, like, zero-risk way of engaging in choking—because it still involves either, you know, reducing blood flow to and from the brain or reducing airflow, depending on how people do it, or both. And so that’s not good for the brain either in the short term or the long term. But a lot of people don’t want to hear that. Some people describe psychological feelings, of feeling on either the giving or receiving end that, like…, “I have my partner’s life in my hands. And of course, I’m trustworthy”—or feeling, like, the eroticism of your partner having your life in their hands.
McDonough: Debby started studying rough sex more closely when, in 2016, she began to notice more questions about the topic than usual from her undergraduate students. Not long after, her team did a survey of randomly sampled students and noticed a sharp rise in participation: among the nearly 1,800 respondents who reported having a romantic or sexual partner… around 80 percent of the students reported having engaged in rough sex.
Herbenick: I had never seen a sexual behavior go from… really low participation to extremely high rates of participation in a short period of time.
McDonough (tape): And what are your theories about why that’s been the case?
Herbenick: I think if people had been tracking it earlier than anyone was, we would have mainly seen pornography as the main driver…. And I think that was one early influence. I think Fifty Shades of Grey was another influence…. And if you look now, it’s just kind of everywhere.

McDonough (tape): So you mentioned that education is really important, but it’s lacking in this area….For people who are interested in exploring rough sex and choking, what would you say are the first questions they should be asking or how should they talk about this with their sexual partner?
Herbenick: So I think, you know, first rough sex is really broad and diverse, right? So rough sex includes things like light spanking, hard spanking, you know, smothering, choking or strangulation, name-calling, all sorts of things. So I think a good first question is just asking somebody what they’re into and not pressuring anybody to be into anything they’re not and also feeling comfortable standing up for yourself if you’re not interested in something that your partner is interested in. It’s okay to say, “No, that’s just too risky for me” or “I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that.”
McDonough: Without this piece, rough sex turns into abuse. The American Psychiatric Association agrees, which is why it announced in 2010 that it would change its definitions for sexual interests such as BDSM in the 2013 update to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders to distinguish consenting activity among adults from disorders that cause harm or distress. But public perception is still catching up.

Taillor: That’s the biggest misconception, is that the actions are really what is. I mean, the actions of BDSM without the whole negotiation and chat and aftercare and dynamic and care—it’s legit just abuse.
McDonough: Charlotte, the dominatrix and educator we heard from earlier, uses a checklist in her collective based on the acronym “MITS”: marks, injuries, triggers and safe word. Lady Harper demonstrated this with the submissive who volunteered to be part of the Intro to Whips workshop.
[CLIP: Chase and a volunteer speak in Intro to Whips] 
[Chase: “Things that I like to cover before I hit a human: marks—is it okay? Or how do you feel about me potentially leaving any marks on you?”]
[Volunteer: “Always encouraged.”]
[Chase: “Always encouraged … okay! Injuries—is there any part of your body that I should avoid for medical reasons…? Are there any conditions that I should be aware of?”]

[Volunteer: “No.”]
[Chase: “Okay, this is important if someone is being held with their arms above their head. Some people with bad circulation will actually feel dizzy after a little while…. or if they have bad knees, ‘should they not be on all fours?’—that type of thing. Triggers, traumas—is there anything that I need to be aware of, as far as your limits—what you’re comfortable with me doing to your body or saying to you?“]
[Volunteer: “No, no. That’s fine.”]
[Chase: “Okay, great. And safe word–stoplight system is pretty universal. Yellow means “hey, slow down; check in.” Red means hard stop—‘I’m not okay.’”]
Chase: I mean, there are misconceptions about BDSM in general—that anyone who is drawn to it as a dom is someone who wants to hurt people and is dangerous. But to me, in my experience, there would be no dominant urges if there wasn’t a submissive telling me what would be valuable for them.

McDonough: This brings us to another point. Kinksters and researchers say that if done with care, BDSM can be not only pleasurable but also healing for those involved.
Chase: I know plenty of people who would say, “I never want someone to spank me because it brings up experiences from my past that I would rather forget….” Other people will say that they want to be spanked consensually so that they’re the ones controlling that experience. Though they have recollections of it in a nonconsensual instance from their past, they now control it, and therefore, they’re regaining that control over a memory or an experience that their body once had.
McDonough: Here’s Debby again.
Herbenick: Especially for people who have had some traumatic backgrounds, some people may find some real potential for healing in sexual exploration and rough sex, BDSM. Because if you’re really, like, paying attention to that consent and communication, and you can be in control, and you can feel respected and cared for, and that, you can be vulnerable with what you’re interested in, and somebody responds to you and respects, you know, your boundaries around that, what a healing experience that can be, whether it’s just kissing and cuddling or whether it involves, like, a whole range of diverse sexual behaviors. So communication is a really important part for people who are thinking about getting into this space.

[CLIP: Chase demonstrates whipping in Intro to Whips: “I go hard. I wait. They reposition themselves. I go hard again. Or I do hard, soft, soft, soft, soft, soft, hard, soft, soft, soft, soft—you know, play with rhythm, play with intensity, make it, make it musical; allow your bottom to follow the beat of the scene….Now I’m done. Thanks for being here!”]
McDonough: For Science, Quickly, this is Meghan McDonough. Tune in next time to listen to episode three of a four-part series on the science of pleasure.
Science, Quickly is produced by Tulika Bose and Jeffery DelViscio. This episode was reported and edited by me, Meghan McDonough, with music by Dominic Smith.

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How April’s Eclipse Will Solve Solar Mysteries

Experiments planned for the 2024 total solar eclipse aim to figure out how the sun works.
Clara Moskowitz: For Scientific American’s Cosmos, Quickly, I’m Clara Moskowitz. On April 8, we’re in for a treat. A total solar eclipse will be visible across a broad swath of North America, giving us a view of the edges of the sun as the moon passes in front of its face. 
Here to talk about the eclipse and what scientists hope to learn from it is science writer Rebecca Boyle, author of a feature story in our March issue about our amazing sun.

Hi, Becky. Thanks for being here.
Rebecca Boyle: Thanks for having me.
Moskowitz: So how big a deal is this eclipse for North America?
Boyle: It is a big deal. This is not something you get to see every day, even every few years, even every couple of decades. It’s pretty rare. And to have [one] across such a huge swath of the U.S. and big population centers is really going to be special.
Moskowitz: Have you ever seen a total solar eclipse in person before?
Boyle: I’ve only seen one. And I know that there are people who, after they see one, go and see as many as they possibly can. And I think that’s a goal I might have for myself later in life. There is nothing like it. It is hard to overstate how surreal and how beautiful and how otherworldly an eclipse is.

We had an annular eclipse in October of last year, which was really also pretty unique. It’s a strange thing to see the moon appear to take a bite out of the sun. But a total solar eclipse is just mind-blowingly strange and beautiful and mystical, and people are left crying and speechless. It’s really pretty special to witness—not only to see it yourself but to see the spectrum of reactions that other people have to watching this happen.
Moskowitz: I can’t wait to. So where are you going to be for this eclipse?
Boyle: Right now our plan is to be in Waco, Texas, which is on the path of totality and is, you know, a nice town and fairly small and maybe a little bit less hectic than a place like Dallas, which was also on our list of options.
It’s actually one of many cities that this eclipse is hitting pretty directly. It’s going over a lot of large population centers in the U.S. So I’m prepared for lots of traffic, which happened in 2017 as well.
I drove to Kentucky with my family [in 2017], and it took us like nine hours to get home and it should have taken about four. So this time we’ll see. But the plan is for us to drive from Colorado to Waco, Texas.
Moskowitz: Totally worth the traffic.
Boyle: I think so.
Moskowitz: So how important are eclipses for science? What can we learn from them?
Boyle: We can learn a surprising amount about not only the sun but the earth and life on Earth and how it responds. So during an eclipse—this is one of those things that will never cease to blow my mind—the moon and the sun appear to be the same size in our sky, even though they’re very different sizes, obviously.

But the sun is 400 times more distant and 400 times larger than the moon. So they line up almost exactly. And this is a thing that only happens right now, you know; in the distant past on Earth, we wouldn’t see the same phenomenon, and in the distant future on Earth, we wouldn’t see the same phenomenon of the lunar disk blocking the entire solar disk so that only you can see the sun’s corona, which is its outer atmosphere.
And it looks sort of like a crown, which is actually what the word means. It’s this ring of tendrils of light that you can only visualize during a total eclipse. You can see it, you know, using instruments from space all the time. And there are plenty of those taking observations of our sun all the time. But when you’re on Earth and the sun vanishes for this brief moment, you can see the sun’s atmosphere in a way that’s really interesting for scientists to understand how our star functions.
And at the same time, you know, a lot of animals and humans, as I was saying, respond to this in a very strange and interesting way. During the last eclipse in 2017, across North America, a lot of scientists and citizen scientists watched animals and, you know, nature, sort of—respond. And that will be happening again this time. It’s pretty interesting to see animals freaked out at the zoo.

Birds go back to their roosts. Insects start singing like it’s nighttime. It’s always very overwhelming to watch all of this.
Moskowitz: So what are some of the big scientific questions that researchers want to answer about the sun?
Boyle: So we actually don’t have a great handle—we’re developing a lot better information right now. Well, we don’t have a great handle on how the sun works, which I also find fun to think about. Like, we don’t know how our star actually functions because it’s this, you know, roiling ball of plasma. And it’s really difficult to figure out the physics [that] underlie how it functions and how it generates the solar wind, which comes from the corona, the atmosphere that we can see during an eclipse.
Scientists still want to know how the corona becomes so hot. It’s actually way hotter than it should be. According to the laws of thermodynamics, the surface of the sun is much cooler than the atmosphere, which seems illogical. Like, if you’re standing at a campfire and the flames itself are, you know, cooler than the air around the fire, that’s, that’s what the sun actually does.

And the mechanisms behind that are not super well understood. And neither is the generation of the solar wind. We’re getting a better picture of this due to some new orbiters that are studying the sun in great detail. But it’s an open question as to how these things are generated and what our star is doing in its insides that connects to its outsides.
Moskowitz: So you mentioned new orbiters. What are these missions and what are they doing? That’s so cool.
Boyle: We have two right now that are the primary new ones. There’s Parker Solar Probe, which is named for [the late] astrophysicist Eugene Parker, who predicted the existence of the solar wind and was correct about it, and then Solar Orbiter, which is a European Space Agency orbiter, and they’re both sort of taking this multispectral imaging of the sun—Parker Solar Probe in particular.
It was designed to fly into the corona and sample it. And so it has this incredible heat shield. It’s really a marvel of engineering that they were able to build something that can literally fly into the outer atmosphere of the sun and sort of dip its toes in the water, so to speak.

And we’re learning an incredible amount of detail now about how the corona functions, how the solar wind is generated, how the corona is heated, how solar flares happen and how they move through the solar wind, [and] how coronal mass ejections happen, which is different from a solar flare but sort of visually seems similar, where the sun unleashes these giant waves of material that come flying toward Earth and the other planets.
And Parker Solar Probe has been hit by a few of those directly, which is in some ways horrifying for the scientists who use this probe but is also really exciting because then they get this, like, direct sample of the sun flinging this fiery material at their spacecraft, and they can take all kinds of measurements.
And these are painting a really pretty new picture of how our star functions.
And it’s going to help us understand our own star better but also maybe other stars.
Moskowitz: Wow. So tell me more about other stars. How can studying the sun tell us about these stars, you know, many thousands of light-years away?

Boyle: We know that the sun is pretty common. I mean, it’s a pretty mediocre star, in some ways. There are a lot of stars like it. It’s fairly quiet, actually, for a star of its type, which maybe is lucky for us. But its, you know—the nearest astrophysical laboratory, its light only takes eight minutes to reach us. So it’s a great way to study the whole functions of a star in the middle of its lifecycle, which our sun is.
And there are many, many stars like it in our galaxy and beyond our galaxy. So if we can understand the very basic mechanisms of what makes our star tick, that will help us paint a picture of how other stars in the universe work and maybe how they connect to their own planets and the stars around them and the environments that they’re in and everything traveling through the universe together—how they all interact.
The sun is the next-door laboratory for beginning to answer those questions.
Moskowitz: So for people who didn’t already have this eclipse on their radar or don’t really notice the sun all that much in their daily life besides the light that it gives during daytime, why should we care about the sun and all these scientific mysteries going on inside it?

Boyle: I think it’s just fascinating to realize that we don’t actually know everything that there is to know about our own star. You know, we have [an] incredible grasp on how galaxies form and merge. We have, you know, some detailed understanding about supermassive black holes at the centers of these galaxies. We know a lot about exoplanet populations and where exoplanets are found around other stars.
We have learned an incredible amount of detail in the last ten years, especially using our eyes in the sky about other stars. And yet we have these pretty lingering mysteries about the star that we call home and that gave rise to everything that’s ever existed in the solar system. And I just think that’s a really fun problem.
Like, let’s look inward a little bit. Let’s look at our own home star and understand how it works and what makes it go. And what will that tell us about how other stars function but also maybe how we got here and, you know, how we are thinking about our own place in the universe?
Moskowitz: Well, thanks, Becky. That’s great. Thanks for being here.

Boyle: Thanks so much for having me.
Moskowitz: Cosmos, Quickly is produced by Jeff DelViscio and Tulika Bose.

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How to Explore Your Sexuality, according to Science

Some researchers say that the standard definition of sexual orientation is incomplete—and offer a tool for expanding it.
Stacy Watnick: The first thing that I do with clients is I tell them that we’re going to go slow—because there are three things that most clients … do not talk about in therapy, and those are religion, politics and sex.
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Kate Klein: There’s this, like, whole world underneath people’s clothing that no one talks about.
Sari van Anders: Our science, in some ways…, is…catching up with people’s existences.
Meghan McDonough: I’m Meghan McDonough, and you’re listening to Scientific American’s Science, Quickly. This is part one of a four-part Fascination on the science of pleasure. In this series, we’re asking what we can learn from those with marginalized experiences to get to the bottom of BDSM, find the female orgasm and illuminate asexuality. In this episode, we’ll discuss new ways to question your sexuality, according to science that draws from feminism and queer theory.
But first, let’s get real basic.
Stacy Watnick: Tell me, when I say the word sex or sexuality to you, what comes up?

McDonough: That’s Stacy Watnick, a clinical psychologist based in San Diego, California. She specializes in relationship issues and sexuality. She’s noticed certain patterns in her clients when she asks this question.
Watnick: First, surprise—that there’s such a range of experiences in their body and in their mind about it…. Frequently, I get some shame and discomfort. They’re not sure what words they’re supposed to use: “Are those bad words?”
A little lean forward…. they’re sort of excited and there’s some tension in wanting to tell me—or a little lean back because they’re not sure it’s safe.
McDonough: Stacy asks her clients if they’ve heard of gender and orientation. They talk about the words they know. And then she brings up the zine.
Zine is short for “magazine.” But zines are different from traditional magazines. They tend to be self-published and not typically what you’d find in an academic setting.
This particular zine invites readers on a “journey through the landscape of your sexuality.” The front cover features a drawing of five people on a path leading into the horizon. Each is holding a map labeled “SCT.” SCT stands for sexual configurations theory, a term coined by Sari van Anders, a gender, sex and sexuality researcher at Queen’s University in Ontario.
Sari van Anders: I was doing some work about multipartnering and things like polyamory…, I was at a conference where there was … a session about asexuality…. And I started thinking about the way these two … identities claimed by different people might come together.

McDonough: Here’s Sari, the creator of this theory. She and her team created the zine as a more accessible offshoot of her 2015 academic paper on the topic.
Van Anders: It was the most exciting piece of work I’ve ever done. I’ve never really done work where it just felt like it had to come out, and it was sort of bubbling out of me.
I think we can maximize our pleasure when we understand what it is that we’re wanting, what the options are, who we are. We can think through some things that we might never have had prompts to do before.
McDonough: Oxford Languages defines sexual orientation as “a person’s identity in relation to the gender or genders to which they are typically attracted.” Sexual configurations theory asks: What if this sort of definition is incomplete?

Sari’s theory basically complicates the idea that sexual orientation is only based on gender. She built it on the existing academic literature and on what people shared about their sexualities.
Van Anders: And it was really important to me to include not just diverse sexualities and genders and people with diverse sexualities and genders but people with marginalized experiences, and so on …
McDonough: Such as people who are LGBTQ+, disabled, into kink or BDSM, asexual or non-monogamous.
Van Anders: Our science, in some ways, is, if anything, sort of, like, catching up with people’s existences…. I think many women know that, like, not all women who are attracted to men, maybe including themselves, that means they’re attracted to, like, penises or that’s the thing only that turns them on. And, and so there’s sort of an assumption that gender/sex sexuality, or what people typically call sexual orientation, is about, like, genital match-ups, like, “I have these genitals, and I’m attracted to people who have those genitals.” But really, like, we rarely see people’s genitals until we’ve already decided we’re attracted to them, right…. Usually there’s so much else going on.

McDonough: Sari uses the term “gender/sex” to mean features that are both socialized and biological and considers it to be just one aspect of sexual orientation. 
Van Anders: You know, it’s not always bodies; there’s also ways of being in the world or clothes, appearance, presentation, the way people talk, how someone treats you. And research on attraction is pretty clear that a lot of other things are rated pretty high up, like kindness or sense of humor or things like that.
McDonough: Sari refers to this as “sexual parameter n”—all the other things that make us attracted to a person.
The way she visualizes these aspects is through cone-shaped diagrams where people can pinpoint their preferences.
Aki Gormezano: As an example, you could think about the tornado for gender/sex sexuality…. So there’s a space on top where there’s a ring going around the outside that SCT calls the binary ring.

McDonough: This is Aki Gormezano, a sexuality researcher who did his Ph.D. with Sari at Queen’s. The ring he’s describing represents what most people know as the sexuality spectrum.
Gormezano: And then there’s a whole space beyond that, falling inside of the binary ring, completing that circle, where you’re not just thinking about women and men, you’re thinking about gender/sex-diverse folks who are occupying spaces outside of that binary ring.
McDonough: This is called the “challenge area.”
Gormezano: That circle I described is on the top, but then it moves all the way down to a point forming what kind of looks like a cone. And there’s a little meter ranging from zero to 100 on the far left of that, and that’s to indicate the strength of your attractions.
McDonough: In lay terms, if gender/sex was an important part of your attraction to people, you’d mark a place higher up on the tornado. If it wasn’t, you’d mark a place farther down. There are also tornadoes for partner number—one, multiple or none—as well as for sexual parametern, representing the other factors Sari mentioned, such as kindness and sense of humor.

Gormezano: Growing up, I was, like, pretty uncritical of my sexuality for the most part… Like I identified as straight by default. And a lot of my attractions, you know, as a cis boy at the time, or, like, now a cis man, were to cis women.
McDonough: In case you don’t know, “cis” here refers to cisgender, when a person’s gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth.
Gormezano: I had a point in high school where I realized … I did have attractions to people who were not cis girls or cis women…. I think I was just, like, confused and upset and didn’t really feel like it was something I could talk about. You know, especially as someone who played sports and was known as an athlete, where that was a big piece of my identity—like, I played soccer all the way through and still do…. I think, for me, the hardest part about realizing that I had interests and attractions that didn’t fit with being straight was that it challenged a lot of my identity around being a man or, like, wanting to be.

McDonough: Aki says that studying sexuality as an adult has helped him see that this isn’t a problem and that sexual orientation, identity and status don’t necessarily line up perfectly. Sexual configurations theory calls this “branched.”
Van Anders: Orientations have to do with, like, attractions, interests, arousals, desire [and] pleasure, and those might be different, or they might be the same. Like, you might really enjoy the thoughts or have fantasies about being with a man. And then when it comes to the actual sex you do, you find people of any gender are really enjoyable…. And status refers to, like, what you’re kind of actually doing, have done or will do…, who you’re actually with, for example.
McDonough: In a 27-country survey conducted by the market research company Ipsos in 2021, for example, 80 percent of self-identified heterosexual people reported that they were only attracted to the opposite sex, and 12 percent of them said they mostly were. Meanwhile 60 percent of self-identified lesbian and gay people said they were only attracted to the same sex, and 24 percent of them said they mostly were. These “branches” of sexuality can all be mapped on separate “tornado” diagrams. If you’re still struggling to picture them, you’re not alone. Between gender/sex, partner number, and other factors—plus identity, orientation and status—it’s a lot. But portraying sexuality as complex is also kind of the point.

McDonough (tape): To what extent do you think sexuality labels are limiting or expanding? If you could imagine your ideal world of how people conceive of sexuality, would everyone have a label?
Gormezano: I think when you just have identities and you just have labels, especially when identities and labels are really narrow…, you might not have the language to articulate the ways in which you don’t perfectly fit with that identity or label…. And I think the more people … who are able to understand the ways in which they might branch from their label or, like, perfectly coincide with it, the more open everyone will be around, you know, just like understanding that, like, around each identity is, like, a collection of people who might vary from that in different kinds of ways.
McDonough: Stacy, the therapist we heard from earlier, commonly meets clients who are working through their sexualities.

McDonough (tape): How do you help them kind of figure that out?
Watnick: We kind of try labels on like clothes…. I’m gonna try this sort of sweater on and see: Does that feel snuggly? Do I feel comfortable? Is there, like, a resonance in my body and in my mind and my heart and my genitals, all over me, that this feels true…? And much like the sweater I put on, I don’t have to wear it all the time…. There’s a very flexible return policy on this kind of content: if they decide they don’t want it; they don’t have to keep it. But we’re trying it on. Let’s see how it feels.
McDonough: Stacy first saw Sari speak at a virtual conference during the pandemic. 
Watnick: And my whole brain lit up.

McDonough: The two of them have since formed a working group to bring sexual configurations theory into more clinical settings.
Van Anders: Those of us with marginalized or minoritized or oppressed genders, sexes or sexualities are often not given the tools from science or scholarship to make sense of ourselves. And so this can be helpful in that way. But also people who are majorities…, our culture tells everyone…, you’re just a cisgender man; that’s that; there’s nothing more complex; the complexity is for, you know, the other “complicated,” quote, unquote, people. But our research finds that the majorities actually have a lot of complexity and often have had even less prompt to think about it.
McDonough (tape): I’m wondering if you’ve had any pushback from the scientific community or otherwise?

Van Anders: We get a fair bit of skepticism from academics that what people might call laypeople, just you, people on the street, could actually do SCT diagrams because they are a bit more complex than “What is your attraction…?”…. So we sometimes get people who say, “This is pretty hard” or “I’m kind of confused.” And then we’re like, “Okay, can you describe yourself?” And then we look at the dot, and it matches. So people are actually able to do it anyway.
Van Anders: And we sometimes get pushback, too, from majorities who get, like, a little bit angry, who are like, “Okay, well, here, I can locate myself, but, like, I don’t believe in all these other locations….” You know, they’re usually seeing questions that have heterosexual first if there’s a checklist. And here it’s, like, you know, if you’re interested in women, that’s just one little dot in this whole diagram, and that can be a bit disorienting for people who are used to being with the center.
McDonough: Sari thinks that accounting for this complexity is not only helpful for individuals but also for future scientific research.
Van Anders: People sometimes forget that every measure we use is sort of telling a story about what the world is…. They’re kind of almost like a sieve that you sieve the world through. And depending on what that sieve looks like—whether it’s SCT, whether it’s a one-word question with a checkbox or answer or something—is going to let kind of different kinds of things through…. What is empirical in science is to try to measure the world as it is.

For Science, Quickly, this is Meghan McDonough. Tune in next time to listen to episode two of a four-part series on the science of pleasure.
Science, Quickly is produced by Tulika Bose and Jeffery DelViscio. This episode was reported and edited by me, Meghan McDonough, with music by Dominic Smith

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